另外强烈呼吁香港代理能发表一下玩好T箱的看法与建议！

壮士兄也想上土豪了？看了那么长的两个帖子，这不是人玩喇叭，而是喇叭玩人啊。

壯士想看設計師的理念的話 這邊有我當初問他的問題和回答

Dear Loou,

thank you for your work, I know how heavy it is. But is it not a real beauty?!

It is great that Mr. Liu reviews it, since he was also the first one who reviewed the TIDAL Sunray and it helped us to support us for the right way. The TIDAL Agoria is the next step and one maybe needs to learn from it a bit to enjoy it really and to understand its nature, its core and its abilities. Sunray brings you the artists into the living room, Agoria goes even one step further – it takes you to the artist, to the concert, to the time and event of the recording… Once you get used to this clarity, every other speaker after it will show you its own colour and own interpretation.

One could think quickly, truth is not going hand in hand with emotions… The longer you hear and understand it you will agree, the opposite is the case. It is presented in an uncut fibre. Anything else is speaker philosophy ;-)…

The woofers in the Agoria are pretty big and the “fake woofers” are the best solution for an extremely clean and fast bass reproduction. They do not need to move a lot, since they do have a big surface (diaphragm area) and the little moving just shows how much reserve and headroom they still have. The passive radiators do support the very lowest frequencies and since they do have the same big surface and are even three of them – they do not move also only a little. The less a driver moves, the lower the distortion is. And since the Agoria is throwing even “10 stones into water, at different points of impact” (10 bass diaphragms) the bass should be very even and free of boomyness and actually should integrate perfectly blended into the high-midrange. One can hear the true chromatics with deep black contrast in the lowest tones. Not the typical “here I am, the big moving woofer” as most speakers do impress quickly without any deeper truth behind. Adjust the bass to what the recording us or what you like the most, Agoria can cover it all, it does not need to be the teacher, it can be also the buddy for having hifi fun. Just gain the bass out of it as you like passive or endlessly with active.

“I just feel Agoria is like a teenager with Samurai Sword walk on the street searching for someone to kill”

This is one side of Agoria, it is so damn fast and precise that one likes to “x-ray” every recording and keens for more and more… but one would be a fool if one is not taking the time to look behind this side of it – it is the perfect postman presenting the letter as it was written. It has zero coloration and shows the tiniest little timbre and both micro and macro dynamics, while having the muscles to push an enormous amount of energy and wild dynamics into the room. TIDAL Agoria showed me that Sunray was only the beginning and that one needs to be willing to learn about the true beauty of music, pure and untouched, not as we maybe like to hear it.

My first prototype of Agoria was made out of MDF, and we do the strongest braced MDF cabinets I guess since over 14 years now… It sounded first a little bit more “romantic” and we compared it side by side to Sunray. I could have lived with it and I am sure we would have find many lovers for it… But we wanted to go further, to replace the candle with the light bulb. Therefore I developed TIRALIT. Same speaker, same drivers – the only difference was the cabinet. But then I heard tones and layers beneath layers, tones in tones, colors more colorful, pure and intense then before. Then I learned even Sunray was making a bit of “filter work” in front of it.

“The resolution is very very high!!!“
In fact, there is no higher resolution speaker on the market right now. Why is that? First above all, we melt all the drivers to the fastest step responses with our Unopulse x-over technology to one single experience. The trick is not the step response alone, THIEL speakers and full range drivers can do this too (maybe not with these numbers of drivers), the trick is how the step response ends, the decay, the ringing. And for that one needs the most complex filters and a cabinet material beyond MDF. I bet you hear things no any other speaker showed you. The diamond tweeter you see and hear is unique, no one has such a thing. It has absolutely no ferrofluid inside and has a long excursion voice coil system in a special milled aluminum housing. The housing itself is being milled in a special way to prevent any resonances… And this thing inside of the TIRALIT (which has almost zero energy storage effect, extremely stiffness and hardness and still high absorption skills) plus the finest parts and caps you can get for the money (and still no one has in this size and effort behind it)… well do the math why you take a curtain away in front of the speakers compared to other speakers…

Be honesty , it sounds very amazing but I love my sunray T1 more(more smooth and like a gentleman) I am not used to Agoria a lots!!!!
Take you time with it, it is the next step, it can be the gentleman you like if you just treat it different, with a different amp or a different setup, but it can. You just needs to trust us… we know what we are doing ;-)…
And: never before it was so easy to hear the coloration of oyur equipment. Connect it with the tube amp of your choice and you will hear it the first time what it really does… And if one likes it, stay with it! Agoria is always the messenger of what you do with it. Your energy to find out and the gear is the limit only…

Some question I need to make sure with you to see if the setting is right,and tell Mr Liu asap

1.    passive need to insert the jumper right? And active is remove?
YES. Passive: jumper into „assive“.
Active: all out, direct to plus and minus bass and high-midrange. LPX to “C” and “0dB” (or plus and minus as one likes”… Active is no must, but it is an in-built “anytime later option”. Yes it kills even passive, but people shall not think passive is crap – it belongs to the best passive speakers ever built I honestly believe. But the TIDAL active technology just lifts even that to another level.

2.    adjustment A, insert for flat?

”A” Passive: insert = linear upper bass, ideal for ideal systems and rooms and most realism. No jumper = more energy in the upper bass and lower midrange, more “body” for the taste.
Active: no jumper inside at all, no function.

3.    adjustment C, insert for flat
“C” Inserted jumper = flat, most linear and smooth. Removed jumper = more tweeter energy (for dull systems and rooms)

4.    adjustmect B, no work, insert it for good looking right?
You can do this J. Prepared for future updates, no function.

5.     4 possibilities from TWEETER JUMPER & Jumper C is
a.0dB (Adjustment C insert,no Tweeter Jumper) – Yes, Perfect!
b.5000 above+1dB (Adjustment C insert.Tweeter jumper insert) – Yes, Perfect!
c.12000 above+1dB (Adjustment C remove,no  Tweeter Jumper ) – Yes, Perfect!
d.5000~12000 +1dB &12000 above +2dB (Tweeter Jumper insert & Adjustment C remove) – Yes, Perfect!

    6.    Mr Liu want to know the the working range of 2*7” and Bass woofer (and which 2 is real, and which 3 is fake), please also let him know the working range of Sunray’s +2db for tweeter to compare for the new design (4 possibilities)

Sunray’s tweeter adjustment is working with a parallel filter to the tweeter x-over and it is starting at 14.000 Hz.
The Agoria goes one step further, I designed another parallel filter to influence also the energy curve below that. Each activation does not contain any serial influence of the signal way thru the expensive caps and the tweeter itself.
The front firing midwoofers to play down to 50 Hz, with full level and no distortion.

The side subs do play up to 50, 65, 80 Hz and do add also with each jump 1.5 dB more to the bass level. We do this with an unique made 15 kg heavy pure copper Variocoil inductor which has only 0,08 Ohm resistance!

The tweeter is playing down to 1.800 Hz. Usually this is tricky to play it so low, but we designed a x-over which cuts it very smooth first and then with a high slope to keep the distortions extremely low.

7.    Adjustment A ‘s working range, and how many dB?
It is like a “mountain” starting with 0dB at 80 Hz and ending with 0db at 160 Hz. And at 120 Hz we do have a 2 dB top of this “mountain”

8.    bass Flat/Gain A/Gain B, the cross point ,and the gain is how many db?
50, 65, 80 Hz and do add also with each jump 1.5 dB more to the bass level. We made a lot of research and learned that bigger rooms do not need only more gain, also a slightly and controlled frequency boost too, this is the system behind Flat/gainA/gainB.

Dear Loou,

two (lower ones) are neoymium woofers, three upper ones are Passive radiators (not fake woofers ;-)!),

I love to answer questions about the Agoria and understand that the concept behind the surface is pretty unique and radical honest – which is an eye opener but also demands.
I like it since I see our products being understood and know they were confused 4 years ago when they heard it the first time,
they were used to different device-signatures, to nice hifi. To describe sounds and to enjoy a nice interpretation of the system of the music.
Now they hear most systems do their very own interpretation of the music, still fun to listen but most probably not as intended from the artists…
To discover this with an Agoria and maybe even TIDAL amps is an experience…
You see, I just love what we are doing and we do stand behind it with 110% J.

Ok, here are the answers:

Actually I wanted 4 x 220 mm such as Sunray, all around the high midrange part. But the volume would be to small for that
(well, other companies would do this maybe and would be rewarded with a popular boomy bass, but not so TIDAL. We want it fast, precise, deep and “invisible”.).

The volume we need for 4 x 220mm you know : Sunray ;-)! So I swopt the 4 x 220 mm woofers to 2 x 280 mm and that works great.
And instead to make it a ported design with bass reflex, I used the first time special passive radiators, for these reasons:

- the bass is even more clean, since there are no ported noises to hear, any kind of muddy upper bass usually “sneaking” out of the bass reflex ports is not happen, the closed passive radiator diaphragms do avoid that

- the distortion are way lower and also the system is independent to subsonic movements, what does this mean: when the frequency in a ported design is lower then the so called tuning frequency “Fb” then the sonic just sees a hole in the speaker and the woofer has no “air pillow” anymore behind its diaphragm and the excursion is getting to much then for it.
You can simply imagine it with this: take a bicycle air pump and close the output with a thumb and then move the end of the handle inside and you will feel how the pressure gets higher inside the air pump until a certain point – and when you open the finger abruptly then the end of the grip run right to the end without any air-resistance anymore. This point all bass reflex speakers have and below that the speaker has no SPL and further head room anymore and starts with distortions.

(By the way this “air-resistance” inside of a cabinet is the bigger the smaller the cabinet is. Example: move a 15” sub-bass inside in these class-D powered small cubic cabinets. It is hard to do since the air pressure inside can be compressed only with sheer stupid power and equalization. Now imagine the same driver in a much bigger cabinet… The much more air behind it will allow the driver to move much more easy backwards and forwards with out any tricks, the bass is deeper and faster. Simply physics. This by the way is the reason why we build big cabinets with not to many or to big drivers.)

- and the position of these passive radiators do help to excite the room modes for the bass more even (such as Sunray)

Usually I was never a friend of passive radiators, since mostly they do move to much and make the sound slow – but I heard it only in other speakers. When we took care of it the “TIDAL”-way, the way we do it and we let design the passive radiators (no one has these ones as they are), it will erase any stereotypes within seconds and you should hear the most cleanest and fastest bass.

The 2 x 280 mm woofers are side powered for perfect step response with the front. But how can it be faster when it is on the side? Easy ;-): it is not! The high-midrange is always faster starting at any speaker! The trick is as simple as it is hard to do in reality: the bass just needs to start as first, since I can not accelerate the bass drivers. But I can time delay the high-midrange part! So it just starts AFTER the bass starts and I melt it all together with our unique x-over designs. This idea does not work with front firing woofers since the woofers would simply pass the high midrange then in start timing or would be behind it, nothing in between. We do the “in between” with the side configuration.
But this has also other advantages: a.) equal moving forces to the cabinet and we do excite the bass modes more even to the room.

TIRALIT音箱複合式材料的說明)
I designed to it burden you more weight and give the clients a nice “wow, how heavy it is feeling” ;-)… Just kidding: it was designed to combine different advantages, means stiffness and absorption. We designed it with in between even 11 layers of different materials and do use a special molecular glue which melts the upper surfaces to each other like it is welded (so there is no glue layer inside). It has inside an unique material which is a heavy poly-mineral material for the stability and to block the deep frequencies, two different HDF and HPL materials and a soft MDF core in the middle for the resonance control. Each material has a specific frequency-barrier and a different resonance frequency.

Therefore it behaves totally different then MDF or Aluminum. MDF is pretty soft but can be well braced still offer good results, since it has a good resonance absorption. Aluminum on the other side is stiff (the knocking knuckle test will prove it) but has inner resonances 8do the same test with a hammer and it will behave like a bell). So we wanted a material offering stiffness AND resonance absorption. TIRILAT is what came out. It offers an extremely inner stiffness, low energy storage effect (you hear almost how fast the frequencies do “pearl” from the drivers only, but not from the cabinet) and also a high resonance absorption, one can not hear the material itself. Please have understanding that we only show little parts of it and not everything, for example, the front plate has a different composing then the side panels, and that we do not want to go to much into detail with it,m since we invested a lot of time, experience and money into this material. Also we do screw all drivers with machine threads directly into the material, is so stable that you could hang a car onto this material when the thread is big enough to hold a fitting screw to do this job…

And this material also had another advantage: since the outer 3mm material is organic we can veneer it with our famous polished veneers or we can add our famous polyester piano finish (I hope you can see the quality!) - try to do this with aluminum J.

Agoria的效率比Sunray多4.5dB
”and if you can please tell Mr Liu (I also hope to know it!) the efficiency of Agoria and Sunray
I feel Agoria is more eazy to push...maybe 5dB more?“

You heard and guessed right. It has about 4.5dB more efficiency which is a lot and almost as loud as classical D’iappolito designs, but without their disadvantages. But one needs to take care with it, since it plays so ultra clean and with almost no distortion it does not warn you ear with clipping while one is listening with way to loud level for the human ear. We learned that with music, such as from “Agoria – Impermanence” (one of my favourite artists and they reason why our speakers are not named old fashioned as “Coltrane”, “Mozart” or so, it is new technology and needs also a new name ;-)…). With enough power it can play extremely loud without losing control. The Impulse can do it already pretty good, but our new Impulse Monobloc just makes pure dynamite out of it.

many greetings,
Jörn
  

这篇资料够我这半桶子英语消化一阵子。

老郭这蜜月度的真够长的，孩子都该生好几胎了......也该发表一下蜜月感言了......

老郭这蜜月度的真够长的，孩子都该生好几胎了......也该发表一下蜜月感言了......
BJMA 发表于 2013-11-10 06:31

蜜月感言是偷着乐

老郭这蜜月度的真够长的，孩子都该生好几胎了......也该发表一下蜜月感言了......
BJMA 发表于 2013-11-10 06:31

老郭这次度蜜月可不容易啦！这娇娘可不是普通的大家闺秀哦！她可是千人追万人迷、风韵妖娆、野性十足的欧洲性感大美女耶！只怕老郭现还在家里强身壮阳、养精补肾侍候着她呢

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自文 发表于 2013-11-14 18:05

俺亦来增添一些Tidal的人气，郭大V现在将系统搬到客厅，声音变化蛮大，残响稍长，有一种莫名的宽松、弥漫和包围的感觉，类似现场 ……

郭府客厅面积大于70平方米，Agoria短边摆放，音场宽广，高频不再耀眼，中、低频饱满，若喇叭背墙的玻璃适当处理，侧墙摆上一些家具、唱片架之类的东西作扩散、吸收之用，估计声音更加值得期待。