瓦格纳是听门道还是听热闹？
burt5177 发表于 2013-5-5 22:49

应该说瓦格纳的热闹是其门道之一！

burt5177  发表于 半小时前
音乐到了瓦格纳、理查、马勒以及后来的作曲家只是听热闹就太浅了。
当然，热闹只是表象而已，形式化的表象。

为何我接受不了瓦格纳和布鲁克纳，却很喜欢马勒？

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burt5177 发表于 10 小时前

音乐到了瓦格纳、理查、马勒以及后来的作曲家只是听热闹就太浅了。
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b老师，可否给我们上一堂瓦格纳的音乐赏析课呢？

为何我接受不了瓦格纳和布鲁克纳，却很喜欢马勒？
zxh999 发表于 2013-5-6 08:44

因为老瓦说：“TMD，我为什么征服不了这个世界？” 而老马说：“我怎么连个女人也Hold不住呢？” 周一的早上紧张又无聊，轻松一下，纯属调侃，zxh999兄不要介意哟！

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这里能人太多，不过我这次听瓦格纳是这样计划的，因为瓦格纳的音乐是用数百个动机织成的网，所以我要把这个网络里的动机每一个弄明白，还有它们的联系。另外，老瓦是一位思想家、哲学家，所以我还要在这些方面做一点文字工作。比如老瓦为什么有乱伦，那是他的爱情观。

   

B老师说的对，我能接受巴洛克莫扎特以及后来意大利歌剧的一些声乐，但瓦格纳不行，受不了，序曲啥的还可以，布鲁克纳，我觉得很吵，相反，马勒的，表达了很多东西，都能引起我的共鸣，也许这就是，虽然也很吵，我能接受并喜欢的原因吧，也就是我是一个俗人

正在听《纽伦堡的名歌手》

这么巧，刚刚换下名歌手的碟，放入了特里斯坦的第二幕，呵呵，享受

New German production of Wagner's opera leads to protests and walkouts.
A new production of Richard Wagner's opera Tannhäuser at the Deutsche Oper am Rhein in Dusseldorf has been booed by audience members outraged at the use of Nazi imagery.

The staging by controversial theatre director Burkhard C. Kosminski showed characters wearing Third Reich uniforms complete with swastikas while the overture included a scene where dancers were apparently trapped inside a transparent gas chamber. The character of Venus was dressed as an SS Officer while Tannhäuser, as one of her SS henchmen, was forced to murder a family.

The German newspaper Der Spiegel reported that audience members started booing about 30 minutes into the production. In addition there were a large number of walkouts with protestors deliberately slamming the exit doors to make their point. The director was reportedly accosted by angry patrons during the after-party and the opera house has received a number of complaints from the local Jewish community.

Michael Szentei-Heise, the head of the Jewish community in Dusseldorf, called the production “tasteless”, pointing out that Wagner's anti-Semitism was not to be found in the music or libretto and thus the production was doing the composer a disservice. “It strikes me as odd to have to defend Wagner”, he told Die Zeit, but “Wagner had nothing to do with the Holocaust”.

The production is clearly taking risks since wearing or even displaying a swastika is illegal in Germany.


尽管有点过分，但我支持艺术创作的自由。起哄长至30分钟，哈哈，有意思。不知演员如何唱下去。

有点过分的标新立异，滥用自由的权力。文章写到的犹太社团的抗议用词真是文雅，tasteless，无品味。。。瓦格纳虽然充满了德意志精神，但拿来和纳粹划等号显然不合适。

对瓦格纳还需要向大家多学习....